For example, bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) considers:
yey , on June 17th, 2009 at 9:08 pm Said Bro. Bo, Thanks for another inspiring article. God bless!
Thinking that's not all, Common Ills adds:
2009-06-28 2009-07-05
Ashley Rindsberg says it all comes down to this:
It later dawned on me that this man is the Donkin of our day. He is individuated and atomized, isolated from the society he harshly criticizes, eager to criticize it harshly, yet happy to make use of the many political amenities it provides. He has not asked himself how he arrived at the rights he enjoys, nor how those rights are maintained. For him, all the structures which work toward and maintain the foundation of American political life -- liberty -- are structures of corruption, cruelty, deviousness, and greed. This much he admitted to me freely.
editor@truthdig.com does a quick recap:
By Virginia777 , May 29 at 12:43 pm # It had to have been annoying to him that Dick Cheney was getting all the attention. Report this
ZP Heller is not really sure about that:
According to Alexander, the torture and abuse conducted at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay became the number one recruiting tool for foreign fighters and suicide bombers who attacked coalition forces in Iraq. Huffington Post's Ryan Grim highlights the importance of Alexander's testimony: Alexander easily takes down Cheney's arguments. The most immediate blow Alexander strikes is, of course, his obvious success, which undercuts Cheney's case for more brutal techniques. Alexander also engages on the level of principle. For Cheney, the suggestion that torture is a poor strategy because it aids terrorist recruitment is nothing more than old-fashioned blame-America-first cowardice.
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
Most Americans understand the interrogation methods released by Obama are not really torture. More importantly Al Qaeda terrorists do not. Inconvenient, uncomfortable, tiring, and irritating, but not torture. I do not believe President Obama has the best interest of our country, our citizens, or the thousands of military and intelligence officers as his primary goal. If I were taking all of Obama s actions and putting them into an intelligence report the following conclusion could be made:
Valtin thinks that the problem is:
No Comment (Scott Horton @ Harper's) Nuremberg Trials Digital Docs Collection Nuremburg Trials, 1946-1949 Once Upon a Time... (Arthur Silber)
As a result of that, Philip Dru belives:
en : Wigged out.......yeah....you can tell because, I have never said "wigged out" or anything like that.......okay...that was weird! 07/02/09 11:02pm
Evan Harris does a quick recap:
Posted by: Plumber | May 29, 2009 8:36:17 PM Bush asked himself "what do you do?" - well you remind yourself that you are the President of the United States of America, and that we re the good guys. We don t friggin torture people.
For this purpose, Your View suggests:
mettaculture 7 June 2009, 11:33 am Ben Being Jersey-Breton still makes you genetically at home lol. Bretons are Cornish who learned to swim and the Anglo Norman channel islands are well Norman and so thus much of our Aristocracy unlike royalty of cours:) I find genetics essential because it actually desconstructs almost any attempt at ethno-linguistic or racial purity. Palestinians are pretty similar to many israelis gentically and Greeks and Turks are often indistinguishable. An african american may discover they are mostly German etc etc. Compulsory genetic testing for all by 2020 ,that will bring all the racist nationalists down and leave us with no choice but a civic and political nationalism.
Thinking that's not all, TChris adds:
Jacob you make a fair point; Obama has been wishy-washy about some things been pretty glib about it.
As a result of that, Patriot Daily belives:
Obama included, voted for this conspiracy. So what are they going to say, it was all so we could grab power and terrorize that nation states we wanted for geopolitical reasons. We allowed it we condoned it, we funded it. Funny how when it was happening the same people from both parties maintained the fictions that they can not let go of.
In contrast, Philip Dru replies:
en : @MsLaStarya A female nigga can mean two things, ur personality is like a nigga's, or else you do things wrong to men, like most do to women 07/05/09 04:01am
Zachary Roth shows how it is done:
At the time my lungs emptied and I began to draw water, I would have sold my children to escape. There was no choice, or chance, and willpower was not involved.
Thinking that's not all, misblog adds:
Originally Published March 13, 2009; Updated and Republished March 16, 2009; Updated and Republished April 09, 2009; Updated and Republished April 18, 2009; Updated and Republished May 02, 2009; Updated and Republished May 11, 2009; Updated and Republished May 15, 2009; Updated and Republished May 17, 2009; Updated and Republished June 01, 2009; Updated and Republished June 06, 2009; Updated and Republished June 09, 2009; Updated and Republished June 13, 2009; Updated and Republished June 24, 2009:
Sources:
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Saturday, August 15, 2009
Torture From: Bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Common Ills Ashley Rindsberg Editor@truthdig.com ZP Heller GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Valtin Philip Dru Evan Harris Your View TChris Patriot Daily Zachary Roth Misblog /26714093
Torture From: Buhdydharma Hal Brown Colin Clark Caravan - Stop Canadian Involvement In Torture Ryan McCarl GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Magix Blacktygrrrr Patriot Daily Technology Expert Your View Rb137 Bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Tina Pjwalker911 /26714109
buhdydharma brings some great news:
Oh, that's right, ... he was a vocal war SUPPORTER and perhaps Ned Lamont will be pointing that out in a few years.
However, Hal Brown states that:
Sadly, this is the kind of political subterfuge sometimes needed to win an election. Some politicians brush it off but I think Obama is troubled by it on a personal level and feels it's a necessary evil, even a sin.
But Colin Clark says that's not all:
Oshkosh Wins $1B MATV Deal Sorry, I should have stated that we are tailoring our force to an opponent which mostly occupies the ground portion of our battlespace. HasBeen
Furthermore, Caravan - Stop Canadian Involvement in Torture claims:
The underlying absurdity of the administration's position can be summarized this way. Once you get to a substantive compliance analysis for "cruel, inhuman, and degrading" you get the position that the substantive standard is the same as it is in analogous U.S. constitutional law. So the OLC must argue, in effect, that the methods and the conditions of confinement in the CIA program could constitutionally be inflicted on American citizens in a county jail.
Ryan McCarl has another idea:
Mi amigo, you are missing the point though. Torture IS justified on a personal level. If you found some psycho (i.e. maybe some "world leader" at Bohemian Grove) molesting your son or daughter, i would not question your right to torture said mofo. But when the supposedly "objective" State does it, THEY ARE DOING IT TO YOU. They are doing it to all of us: the difference is only a matter of Time and Intensity. We ARE being tortured every single day by the non-stop propaganda of "news", Hollywood, corporations, the greed, ineptitude, and corruption of the "elected" class, etc.
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. comes with a new idea:
Written by the Rev. William J. H. Boetcke in 1916 Endgame of Saudi PlanThe Saudi Plan calls on Israel to cede Gaza and all land east of the 1949 armistice line, including much of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount,
In response, magix claims:
Gerry CondonGI BenefitsGI ResistanceGlenn BeckGlobal economyGlobal warmingGoldman SachsGordon SmithGovernors Global Climate Summit
For this purpose, blacktygrrrr suggests:
There s a zillion other things we could talk about but I never hear a liberal talk about what s really wrong with America Murtha s Airport is wrong make that number one, you can start with number two (product of anal expulsion intended).
However, Ryan McCarl states that:
Observe how the torture apologists constantly attempt to shift the debate away from what is concrete â€" narratives of a specific individual who was tortured by U.S. interrogators, photographs of torture taking place at Abu Ghraib, and memos describing and authorizing torture techniques in gruesome detail â€" to abstract questions of efficacy and hypothetical, "what-if" narratives about national security.
Patriot Daily can't forget that:
I think we have far too many legacies populating our government, people who are not competent statesmen/women. Even if they heard us, I'm not convinced they'd know how to respond.
Technology Expert also takes into account the following fact:
GOP Staffer Who Sent Racist Obama Email Gets Slap ... Top 10 Things Heard at the "Fire David Letterman" ...
Your View does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
Even in what he regards as the halcyon days of the mid 20th century, London was the scene of notorious organised crime operatons and gangland killings, of which those committed by the Kray brothers are the best known.
rb137 is absolutely sure that:
This torture breaks people so fast because of the extreme trauma and imminent threat to life -- but also because of the oxygen deprivation. Recall that attacking the hippocampus is one of the primary goals in torture. In waterboarding it is not only the emotional attack that breaks down the limbic system, it is also the hypoxia and anoxia that the torture inflicts:
Still not being convinced, bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) replies:
How much do I love writing? Others get high on drugs. I get a high choosing the right adjective for a sentence. I’m nuts!
Meanwhile, Patriot Daily came up with this idea:
Your understanding of it all is correct, Qucksilver2723! ( 4.00 / 3 ) It is and has been the modus operandi of BushCo from the beginning. How long and loud we screamed for impeachment? And, gradually, the whole issue became thrust into the background, etc. Even though we never stopped screaming until the new administration came into being. Now, we find ourselves in practically the same predicament with respect to the torture, etc. But there is one difference in that we DO have the side of the International laws on our side and that of own national laws on our side. I don't think this issue is going to go away and we should make sure that it doesn't. The very foundation of this country is at stake!
Tina thinks that the problem is:
Padilla is an American citizen who was arrested in Chicago in 2002 and accused of conspiring with al-Qaida to detonate a radi oactive "dirty bomb."
magix sees it this way:
Mike GravelMilitaryMilitary Families Speak OutMilitary industrial complexMilitary KeynesianismMilitary recruitingMLK
pjwalker911 intervenes and adds:
Phylaxis Society Prince Hall Freemasonry Rosicrucian Fellowship Royal Order of Jesters Royal Order of Scotland Royal Order of the Seraphim
Sources:
buhdydharma Hal Brown Colin Clark Caravan - Stop Canadian Involvement in Torture Ryan McCarl GS Don Morris, Ph.D. magix blacktygrrrr Patriot Daily Technology Expert Your View rb137 bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Tina pjwalker911
Disclaimer:
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Oh, that's right, ... he was a vocal war SUPPORTER and perhaps Ned Lamont will be pointing that out in a few years.
However, Hal Brown states that:
Sadly, this is the kind of political subterfuge sometimes needed to win an election. Some politicians brush it off but I think Obama is troubled by it on a personal level and feels it's a necessary evil, even a sin.
But Colin Clark says that's not all:
Oshkosh Wins $1B MATV Deal Sorry, I should have stated that we are tailoring our force to an opponent which mostly occupies the ground portion of our battlespace. HasBeen
Furthermore, Caravan - Stop Canadian Involvement in Torture claims:
The underlying absurdity of the administration's position can be summarized this way. Once you get to a substantive compliance analysis for "cruel, inhuman, and degrading" you get the position that the substantive standard is the same as it is in analogous U.S. constitutional law. So the OLC must argue, in effect, that the methods and the conditions of confinement in the CIA program could constitutionally be inflicted on American citizens in a county jail.
Ryan McCarl has another idea:
Mi amigo, you are missing the point though. Torture IS justified on a personal level. If you found some psycho (i.e. maybe some "world leader" at Bohemian Grove) molesting your son or daughter, i would not question your right to torture said mofo. But when the supposedly "objective" State does it, THEY ARE DOING IT TO YOU. They are doing it to all of us: the difference is only a matter of Time and Intensity. We ARE being tortured every single day by the non-stop propaganda of "news", Hollywood, corporations, the greed, ineptitude, and corruption of the "elected" class, etc.
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. comes with a new idea:
Written by the Rev. William J. H. Boetcke in 1916 Endgame of Saudi PlanThe Saudi Plan calls on Israel to cede Gaza and all land east of the 1949 armistice line, including much of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount,
In response, magix claims:
Gerry CondonGI BenefitsGI ResistanceGlenn BeckGlobal economyGlobal warmingGoldman SachsGordon SmithGovernors Global Climate Summit
For this purpose, blacktygrrrr suggests:
There s a zillion other things we could talk about but I never hear a liberal talk about what s really wrong with America Murtha s Airport is wrong make that number one, you can start with number two (product of anal expulsion intended).
However, Ryan McCarl states that:
Observe how the torture apologists constantly attempt to shift the debate away from what is concrete â€" narratives of a specific individual who was tortured by U.S. interrogators, photographs of torture taking place at Abu Ghraib, and memos describing and authorizing torture techniques in gruesome detail â€" to abstract questions of efficacy and hypothetical, "what-if" narratives about national security.
Patriot Daily can't forget that:
I think we have far too many legacies populating our government, people who are not competent statesmen/women. Even if they heard us, I'm not convinced they'd know how to respond.
Technology Expert also takes into account the following fact:
GOP Staffer Who Sent Racist Obama Email Gets Slap ... Top 10 Things Heard at the "Fire David Letterman" ...
Your View does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
Even in what he regards as the halcyon days of the mid 20th century, London was the scene of notorious organised crime operatons and gangland killings, of which those committed by the Kray brothers are the best known.
rb137 is absolutely sure that:
This torture breaks people so fast because of the extreme trauma and imminent threat to life -- but also because of the oxygen deprivation. Recall that attacking the hippocampus is one of the primary goals in torture. In waterboarding it is not only the emotional attack that breaks down the limbic system, it is also the hypoxia and anoxia that the torture inflicts:
Still not being convinced, bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) replies:
How much do I love writing? Others get high on drugs. I get a high choosing the right adjective for a sentence. I’m nuts!
Meanwhile, Patriot Daily came up with this idea:
Your understanding of it all is correct, Qucksilver2723! ( 4.00 / 3 ) It is and has been the modus operandi of BushCo from the beginning. How long and loud we screamed for impeachment? And, gradually, the whole issue became thrust into the background, etc. Even though we never stopped screaming until the new administration came into being. Now, we find ourselves in practically the same predicament with respect to the torture, etc. But there is one difference in that we DO have the side of the International laws on our side and that of own national laws on our side. I don't think this issue is going to go away and we should make sure that it doesn't. The very foundation of this country is at stake!
Tina thinks that the problem is:
Padilla is an American citizen who was arrested in Chicago in 2002 and accused of conspiring with al-Qaida to detonate a radi oactive "dirty bomb."
magix sees it this way:
Mike GravelMilitaryMilitary Families Speak OutMilitary industrial complexMilitary KeynesianismMilitary recruitingMLK
pjwalker911 intervenes and adds:
Phylaxis Society Prince Hall Freemasonry Rosicrucian Fellowship Royal Order of Jesters Royal Order of Scotland Royal Order of the Seraphim
Sources:
buhdydharma Hal Brown Colin Clark Caravan - Stop Canadian Involvement in Torture Ryan McCarl GS Don Morris, Ph.D. magix blacktygrrrr Patriot Daily Technology Expert Your View rb137 bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Tina pjwalker911
Disclaimer:
This text is automatically generated from different sources on the internet. It must be considered an experiment
Torture From: GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Tom Engelhardt Zachary Roth Admin Jeralyn TChris Bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Hilzoy Mike McNally Magix Blacktygrrrr Tina John Herrman Common Ills Philip Dru Your View /26714101
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. brings some great news:
FAR-LEFT J STREET MISLEADINGLY CLAIMS ISRAELIS SUP... "Turmoil & Confusion" New appointment at Rambam - Dr. Suheir Assady
In other words, Tom Engelhardt puts it this way:
No matter how twisted the process, impunity â€" whether in England, Indonesia, or America â€" usually passes through three stages:
But Zachary Roth says that's not all:
By the logic of the ticking time-bomb scenario, we should be waterboarding Roeder already -- or at least banging his head against the wall. After all, terror attacks could be imminent, with an unknown cost in terms of human lives and the creation of a climate of fear. It's a no-brainer , right?
admin comes with a new idea:
News Video Clip TNCZ RED NEWS Fox News Women Anchors Eyewitness News Channel 5 Las Vegas Breaking News |
Jeralyn is absolutely sure that:
Judge White refused all but one of Yoo s immunity claims, finding "Yoo set in motion a series of events that resulted in the deprivation of Padilla s constitutional rights.
TChris does a quick recap:
Another Look at Detainee Guilty Pleas - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime Another Look at Detainee Guilty Pleas By TChris , Section Terror Detainees Posted on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:41:00 AM EST Tags: ( all tags ) Share This: Digg!
For example, bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) considers:
That’s why I say problems are wonderful. Without problems, there will be no Superstars. (I wish to thank the brilliant Seth Godin for these insights.)
Thinking that's not all, Hilzoy adds:
Now, if they stay there, all is well. Who cares where they stay? They're harmless. The only people who are scared are the idiots dumb enough to believe Dick and Liz Cheney. I worry more about people walking the streets who are actually that stupid and gullible. Posted by: Allan Snyder on June 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM | PERMALINK
Mike McNally shows how it is done:
13. Ms. Attitude:Go to Atlasshrugs.com and watch the torture videos. That will open your eyes.Jun 16, 2009 - 12:42 pm
In other words, magix puts it this way:
Energy Alternative Energy Decentralized energy Distributed energy Wind turbines Environment Localization Local Bandon Coos County Coquille Oregon Media National Foreign policy National security Politics Veterans
blacktygrrrr brings a word of caution:
I do know that some of my correspondence gets intercepted by the NSA for when I discovered something on their website and mentioned it to Shelby, the item was immediately reworded. I also know that the NSA can and very well may be monitoring this very message I have been personnally monitored by every major and minor government agency or Department up to and including the US State Dept but that s no big deal, everybody (at least most political websites) get monitored routinely.
However, Tina thinks differently:
I have always been bugged that America has to be “above†other countries.. if someone is threatening our country & people.. we should be allowed to torture them!
Despite the previous arguments, John Herrman has many reasons to think otherwise:
5 Jun/09 0 40 Second Toothbrush Doesn t Use Torture, Just Enhanced Cleaning Techniques [Toothbrushes]
For example, Common Ills considers:
2009-01-04 2009-01-11 2009-01-18 2009-01-25 2009-02-01
Philip Dru comes with a new idea:
It turns out, however, that Panetta initially supported the creation of a truth commission. I m not big on commissions, Panetta told me. On the other hand, I could see that it might make some sense, frankly, to appoint a high-level commission, with somebody like Sandra Day O Connor, Lee Hamilton people like that. The appeal was that Obama could delegate to others the legal problems stemming from Bush Administration actions, allowing him to focus on his ambitious political agenda. In the discussion phase early in the spring, before Obama decided the issue I was for it, Panetta said. Because every time a question came up, you could basically say, The commission, hopefully, is looking at this. But by late April Obama had vetoed the idea, fearing that it would look vindictive and, possibly, inflame his predecessor. It was the President who basically said, If I do this, it will look like I m trying to go after Cheney and Bush, Pane tta said. He just didn t think it made sense. And then everybody kind of backed away from it.
Your View comes with the facts:
Then there are the fake students - the Times has recently exposed the racket in bogus students being allowed in from Pakistan to non existent courses. It turns out issuing their visas has been outsourced to Abu Dhabi - Pakistan being considered too dangerous for our officials these days - passed on the nod. Meanwhile the colleges they attend are listed as approved by the relevant approving authority in the Uk simply by registering their name (and presumably paying a fee), no inspection needed.
Sources:
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Tom Engelhardt Zachary Roth admin Jeralyn TChris bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Hilzoy Mike McNally magix blacktygrrrr Tina John Herrman Common Ills Philip Dru Your View
Disclaimer:
This text is automatically generated from different sources on the internet. It must be considered an experiment
FAR-LEFT J STREET MISLEADINGLY CLAIMS ISRAELIS SUP... "Turmoil & Confusion" New appointment at Rambam - Dr. Suheir Assady
In other words, Tom Engelhardt puts it this way:
No matter how twisted the process, impunity â€" whether in England, Indonesia, or America â€" usually passes through three stages:
But Zachary Roth says that's not all:
By the logic of the ticking time-bomb scenario, we should be waterboarding Roeder already -- or at least banging his head against the wall. After all, terror attacks could be imminent, with an unknown cost in terms of human lives and the creation of a climate of fear. It's a no-brainer , right?
admin comes with a new idea:
News Video Clip TNCZ RED NEWS Fox News Women Anchors Eyewitness News Channel 5 Las Vegas Breaking News |
Jeralyn is absolutely sure that:
Judge White refused all but one of Yoo s immunity claims, finding "Yoo set in motion a series of events that resulted in the deprivation of Padilla s constitutional rights.
TChris does a quick recap:
Another Look at Detainee Guilty Pleas - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime Another Look at Detainee Guilty Pleas By TChris , Section Terror Detainees Posted on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:41:00 AM EST Tags: ( all tags ) Share This: Digg!
For example, bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) considers:
That’s why I say problems are wonderful. Without problems, there will be no Superstars. (I wish to thank the brilliant Seth Godin for these insights.)
Thinking that's not all, Hilzoy adds:
Now, if they stay there, all is well. Who cares where they stay? They're harmless. The only people who are scared are the idiots dumb enough to believe Dick and Liz Cheney. I worry more about people walking the streets who are actually that stupid and gullible. Posted by: Allan Snyder on June 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM | PERMALINK
Mike McNally shows how it is done:
13. Ms. Attitude:Go to Atlasshrugs.com and watch the torture videos. That will open your eyes.Jun 16, 2009 - 12:42 pm
In other words, magix puts it this way:
Energy Alternative Energy Decentralized energy Distributed energy Wind turbines Environment Localization Local Bandon Coos County Coquille Oregon Media National Foreign policy National security Politics Veterans
blacktygrrrr brings a word of caution:
I do know that some of my correspondence gets intercepted by the NSA for when I discovered something on their website and mentioned it to Shelby, the item was immediately reworded. I also know that the NSA can and very well may be monitoring this very message I have been personnally monitored by every major and minor government agency or Department up to and including the US State Dept but that s no big deal, everybody (at least most political websites) get monitored routinely.
However, Tina thinks differently:
I have always been bugged that America has to be “above†other countries.. if someone is threatening our country & people.. we should be allowed to torture them!
Despite the previous arguments, John Herrman has many reasons to think otherwise:
5 Jun/09 0 40 Second Toothbrush Doesn t Use Torture, Just Enhanced Cleaning Techniques [Toothbrushes]
For example, Common Ills considers:
2009-01-04 2009-01-11 2009-01-18 2009-01-25 2009-02-01
Philip Dru comes with a new idea:
It turns out, however, that Panetta initially supported the creation of a truth commission. I m not big on commissions, Panetta told me. On the other hand, I could see that it might make some sense, frankly, to appoint a high-level commission, with somebody like Sandra Day O Connor, Lee Hamilton people like that. The appeal was that Obama could delegate to others the legal problems stemming from Bush Administration actions, allowing him to focus on his ambitious political agenda. In the discussion phase early in the spring, before Obama decided the issue I was for it, Panetta said. Because every time a question came up, you could basically say, The commission, hopefully, is looking at this. But by late April Obama had vetoed the idea, fearing that it would look vindictive and, possibly, inflame his predecessor. It was the President who basically said, If I do this, it will look like I m trying to go after Cheney and Bush, Pane tta said. He just didn t think it made sense. And then everybody kind of backed away from it.
Your View comes with the facts:
Then there are the fake students - the Times has recently exposed the racket in bogus students being allowed in from Pakistan to non existent courses. It turns out issuing their visas has been outsourced to Abu Dhabi - Pakistan being considered too dangerous for our officials these days - passed on the nod. Meanwhile the colleges they attend are listed as approved by the relevant approving authority in the Uk simply by registering their name (and presumably paying a fee), no inspection needed.
Sources:
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Tom Engelhardt Zachary Roth admin Jeralyn TChris bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Hilzoy Mike McNally magix blacktygrrrr Tina John Herrman Common Ills Philip Dru Your View
Disclaimer:
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Torture From: JAZZ SHAW, Assistant Editor GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Editor@truthdig.com Magix Daphne Eviatar Allahpundit Josh Orton Rb137 Pastorius Francis Beckwith Hal Brown Mike McNally Dave Johnson Thememoirs.org Chris In Paris HL Hollywood Grind Your View Kathy /26714108
Still not being convinced, JAZZ SHAW, Assistant Editor replies:
The plan worked brilliantly.Using speed, air dominance, highly coordinated movement and strikes and the combination of different forces, the objective was accomplished in 21 days with only a few hundred casualties. What would have taken 500,000 troops in previous wars (and with less visionary leaders) was now shown to be capable with a fraction of the manpower.
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. notices:
Wrong again. Resolution 242 (1967) does note "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war." It also affirms the right of every state in the area "to live in peace with secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force." There were no "Palestinian territories."
Before going any further, editor@truthdig.com wants to get this straight:
By ardee , May 30 at 9:00 am # AFriend, May 29 at 8:07 am #You should be aware that your neocon rants are not fooling anyone .Nor is your conveniently twisting of facts going unnoticed or having the desired effect. Ironic that the one poster who is the single most disingenuous on this forum accuses another of such.
magix explains:
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Daphne Eviatar scans the other's answers and reply:
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Allahpundit intervenes and adds:
Public support for torture doesn’t make it any less wrong. Rae on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM If loving it is wrong I don t want to be right. Seriously, our torture methods pale in comparison. When you come out missing digits and brain matter thats torture. faol on June 3, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Josh Orton thinks about it:
I could care less about Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.I care about the principles of my nation. Whether or not Khalid Sheikh Muhammad suffers under torture is not my concern. What is my concern is the dangerous precedent it sets, namely the mind-bogglingly juvenile and myopic ends-justify-means nonsense bandied about by people like you. What is my concern is the political damage done to the United States as a result. What is my concern is the moral repugnance of it.
rb137 does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
Congrats on the rec list... ( 4.00 / 8 ) This is an important piece and I hope it gets as much exposure as possible. by: Situational Lefty @ Sat May 30, 2009 at 19:35:05 PM CDT
Pastorius is not really sure about that:
Apparently not. Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:22:00 AM Always On Watch said... UPDATE: Funny, just one year ago McCain reportedly supported the use of harsh interrogation tactics by voting against a bill that banned the CIA from waterboarding and using other torture tactics in their interrogations. Wassup with that? Some kind of senility? Something McCain caught from Nancy Pelosi?
Francis Beckwith tells the real story:
Posted by MaryAnn | June 7, 2009 1:20 PM Frank, Your position so far has been outnumbered by the "anything to win" brigade. Good luck with that. Posted by Step2 | June 7, 2009 1:39 PM
Hal Brown is not really sure about that:
He'll express mild opposition to such hot button social conservative issues. He'll hate doing all of this because he really does believe in the openness in government which he campaigned on, really believes everyone should have the right to marry and that homosexuals should be able to serve without restriction in the military.
However, Mike McNally states that:
Jun 16, 2009 - 9:38 am 12. Aqua:Uhh, thanks Aquabat (or is that me?) how embarrassing.Jun 16, 2009 - 11:17 am
Dave Johnson scans the other's answers and reply:
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rb137 gives a bit of an idea about it:
An advanced psychological study ( 4.00 / 1 ) of what mainstream media propogates needs to be done. I myself consider it similar to disabling the safety interlocks of a large microwave oven and sticking my head inside and hitting the nuke that popcorn setting. It is abundantly clear the "US government" is solidly committed to that Mt Everest of grassy knolls that is 911 and confines the current media debate to focus only on the issue of torture thus producing denial of the pivotal event which started all of it, 911. I so love the slinking away of our dear benevolent leaders behind their secret service goons upon being asked real questions by members of WeAreChange. Lord, shall I tack him up now! by: Lasthorseman @ Sun May 31, 2009 at 20:57:52 PM CDT
In contrast, Chris in Paris replies:
Dana Milbank s employer, the Washington Post, plan... New ad targets Senator Mary Landrieu, who has had ...
In other words, HL puts it this way:
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Hollywood Grind does a quick recap:
Pretty boys and girls should think twice before roughing it in the jungle. The Pratts should consider this a life lesson.
As Your View says:
Trim your own hedge BNP ENABLER. Anaximanders other sandal 6 June 2009, 11:08 pm Mettaculture, I’ll try and dig out the paper that argues that a small founding population of warrior males of 5% or so together with an apartheid like social structure with Anglo males at the top displacing many Celtic males, then out breeding the rest via greater reproductive access to fertile women could have produced this 20-50% figure in just a few generations. Sounds interesting I will look forward to reading it. Thanks.
For example, Kathy considers:
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The plan worked brilliantly.Using speed, air dominance, highly coordinated movement and strikes and the combination of different forces, the objective was accomplished in 21 days with only a few hundred casualties. What would have taken 500,000 troops in previous wars (and with less visionary leaders) was now shown to be capable with a fraction of the manpower.
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. notices:
Wrong again. Resolution 242 (1967) does note "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war." It also affirms the right of every state in the area "to live in peace with secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force." There were no "Palestinian territories."
Before going any further, editor@truthdig.com wants to get this straight:
By ardee , May 30 at 9:00 am # AFriend, May 29 at 8:07 am #You should be aware that your neocon rants are not fooling anyone .Nor is your conveniently twisting of facts going unnoticed or having the desired effect. Ironic that the one poster who is the single most disingenuous on this forum accuses another of such.
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Daphne Eviatar scans the other's answers and reply:
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Allahpundit intervenes and adds:
Public support for torture doesn’t make it any less wrong. Rae on June 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM If loving it is wrong I don t want to be right. Seriously, our torture methods pale in comparison. When you come out missing digits and brain matter thats torture. faol on June 3, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Josh Orton thinks about it:
I could care less about Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.I care about the principles of my nation. Whether or not Khalid Sheikh Muhammad suffers under torture is not my concern. What is my concern is the dangerous precedent it sets, namely the mind-bogglingly juvenile and myopic ends-justify-means nonsense bandied about by people like you. What is my concern is the political damage done to the United States as a result. What is my concern is the moral repugnance of it.
rb137 does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
Congrats on the rec list... ( 4.00 / 8 ) This is an important piece and I hope it gets as much exposure as possible. by: Situational Lefty @ Sat May 30, 2009 at 19:35:05 PM CDT
Pastorius is not really sure about that:
Apparently not. Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:22:00 AM Always On Watch said... UPDATE: Funny, just one year ago McCain reportedly supported the use of harsh interrogation tactics by voting against a bill that banned the CIA from waterboarding and using other torture tactics in their interrogations. Wassup with that? Some kind of senility? Something McCain caught from Nancy Pelosi?
Francis Beckwith tells the real story:
Posted by MaryAnn | June 7, 2009 1:20 PM Frank, Your position so far has been outnumbered by the "anything to win" brigade. Good luck with that. Posted by Step2 | June 7, 2009 1:39 PM
Hal Brown is not really sure about that:
He'll express mild opposition to such hot button social conservative issues. He'll hate doing all of this because he really does believe in the openness in government which he campaigned on, really believes everyone should have the right to marry and that homosexuals should be able to serve without restriction in the military.
However, Mike McNally states that:
Jun 16, 2009 - 9:38 am 12. Aqua:Uhh, thanks Aquabat (or is that me?) how embarrassing.Jun 16, 2009 - 11:17 am
Dave Johnson scans the other's answers and reply:
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rb137 gives a bit of an idea about it:
An advanced psychological study ( 4.00 / 1 ) of what mainstream media propogates needs to be done. I myself consider it similar to disabling the safety interlocks of a large microwave oven and sticking my head inside and hitting the nuke that popcorn setting. It is abundantly clear the "US government" is solidly committed to that Mt Everest of grassy knolls that is 911 and confines the current media debate to focus only on the issue of torture thus producing denial of the pivotal event which started all of it, 911. I so love the slinking away of our dear benevolent leaders behind their secret service goons upon being asked real questions by members of WeAreChange. Lord, shall I tack him up now! by: Lasthorseman @ Sun May 31, 2009 at 20:57:52 PM CDT
In contrast, Chris in Paris replies:
Dana Milbank s employer, the Washington Post, plan... New ad targets Senator Mary Landrieu, who has had ...
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Hollywood Grind does a quick recap:
Pretty boys and girls should think twice before roughing it in the jungle. The Pratts should consider this a life lesson.
As Your View says:
Trim your own hedge BNP ENABLER. Anaximanders other sandal 6 June 2009, 11:08 pm Mettaculture, I’ll try and dig out the paper that argues that a small founding population of warrior males of 5% or so together with an apartheid like social structure with Anglo males at the top displacing many Celtic males, then out breeding the rest via greater reproductive access to fertile women could have produced this 20-50% figure in just a few generations. Sounds interesting I will look forward to reading it. Thanks.
For example, Kathy considers:
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Sources:
JAZZ SHAW, Assistant Editor GS Don Morris, Ph.D. editor@truthdig.com magix Daphne Eviatar Allahpundit Josh Orton rb137 Pastorius Francis Beckwith Hal Brown Mike McNally Dave Johnson thememoirs.org Chris in Paris HL Hollywood Grind Your View Kathy
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Torture From: Smitty1e Editor@truthdig.com Cedricsbigmix Valtin Bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Tina Pjwalker911 Jeralyn Hilzoy GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Paul Craig Roberts Ben Pamela Geller Liliana Segura, AlterNet Tony Patriot Daily /26714111
smitty1e considers that:
-- Jimmie, The Sundries Shack ". . . the one-of-a-kind Robert Stacy McCain, whose blog should be on your must-read list, if it isn't already."
editor@truthdig.com is not really sure about that:
Yes, ardee, it s not you who s obsessed with all things Bush. It s not you who carefully chooses your information. You re not the one rewriting history to meet your needs.
cedricsbigmix explains:
Diane Rehm Show and we'll focus on Iraqis and note this section between Diane Rehm and McClatchy Newspapers' Nancy A. Youssef.
Valtin can't forget that:
Rhode Island Human Rights Blog (Vox Humana) SoundingBalance Stop Canadian Complicity in Torture Survivors International Talk Left: The Politics of Crime
For example, editor@truthdig.com considers:
...................The photographs differ from those already officially released. Some show U.S. personnel engaged in sexual acts with prisoners and each other. In one, a female prisoner appears to have been forced to expose her breasts to be photographed.
bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) explains:
yey , on June 17th, 2009 at 9:08 pm Said Bro. Bo, Thanks for another inspiring article. God bless!
Tina does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
Yoo s recently released 2001 memo advised that the military could use "any means necessary" to hold terror suspects. A 2002 memo to then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales advised that treatment of suspected terrorists was torture only if it caused pain levels equivalent to "organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death." Yoo also advised that the president might have the constitutional power to allow torturing enemy combatants.
For example, pjwalker911 considers:
National Health Federation Nazi Nexus New England Confederation Alliance New Hampshire Liberty Alliance No Codex Genocide
editor@truthdig.com imagines that:
It was Bush that decided to use the full force of the military, however, that is not the subject. The subject is in regards to the lies.
In other words, Jeralyn puts it this way:
OP, that was pretty poetic... ( 5.00 / 1 ) ( #29 ) by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 02:18:33 AM EST and so wry it made me laugh. Thanks. Unfortunately, I think you've accurately summarized the worst that will ever happen to Yoo. [ Parent ] If Yoo's invitations slow, ( none / 0 ) ( #10 ) by Spamlet on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 11:52:41 PM EST maybe he can pay a visit to the loneliest woman in New York. [ Parent ] Wow. ( none / 0 ) ( #23 ) by oldpro on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 12:44:39 PM EST There are people called 'social image consultants' for the climbers and wannabes? Bet they're loving this publicity. Gross. [ Parent ]
But Hilzoy says that's not all:
July 2003June 2003May 2003April 2003March 2003February 2003January 2003December 2002
Jeralyn explains:
Jeralyn... this is ( none / 0 ) ( #12 ) by CoralGables on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 12:11:42 AM EST Another account worth deleting
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. is absolutely sure that:
You don't see this in Gaza! Humanitarian help! http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=emergency-center-erez-D&ak=null
Paul Craig Roberts points out another thing aside from that:
Hunsinger notes that "evidence" obtained by torture can have catastrophic consequences. In making the case against Iraq at the UN, former Secretary of State Colin Powell assured the countries of the world that his evidence rested on "facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence." Today Powell and his chief of staff, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, are ashamed that the "evidence" for Powell's UN speech
Ben brings more details:
You Thought Otherwise? Movie Reviews Reaping What One Has Sown Wikio RSS Hit The Tip Jar for This DAV. Thanks!
Pamela Geller does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
US MILITARY GREATNESS and Real American Heroes USA /Israeli Relations VOTER FRAUD: DEMOCRAT TOOL Wal-Mart: Warfare on Big Business
Tina intervenes and adds:
January 2007 December 2006 November 2006 October 2006 September 2006 August 2006 July 2006 June 2006
Liliana Segura, AlterNet is not really sure about that:
This cannot stand. There's too much at stake when it comes to human rights, American democracy and the perception of the United States abroad. It's time to cut through the noise of political rhetoric and cable news and set the record straight. Below are five new reasons -- and at least one old one -- why closing Guantánamo Bay cannot wait.
Tony explains:
Al-Awda (The Palestine Right to Return Coalition) B’Tselem Citizens for Fair Legislation Free Palestine The Institute for Palestine Studies
Patriot Daily thinks that the problem is:
Why were the torture lawyers worried about an OPR report that is apparently not recommending criminal prosecutions, but only professional sanctions? Legal ethics experts indicate that state bars can face "nearly insurmountable challenges" that prevent imposing state bar disciplinary measures, such as disbarment, thus leaving the torture lawyers free of penalties based upon bar membership.
Sources:
smitty1e editor@truthdig.com cedricsbigmix Valtin bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Tina pjwalker911 Jeralyn Hilzoy GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Paul Craig Roberts Ben Pamela Geller Liliana Segura, AlterNet Tony Patriot Daily
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-- Jimmie, The Sundries Shack ". . . the one-of-a-kind Robert Stacy McCain, whose blog should be on your must-read list, if it isn't already."
editor@truthdig.com is not really sure about that:
Yes, ardee, it s not you who s obsessed with all things Bush. It s not you who carefully chooses your information. You re not the one rewriting history to meet your needs.
cedricsbigmix explains:
Diane Rehm Show and we'll focus on Iraqis and note this section between Diane Rehm and McClatchy Newspapers' Nancy A. Youssef.
Valtin can't forget that:
Rhode Island Human Rights Blog (Vox Humana) SoundingBalance Stop Canadian Complicity in Torture Survivors International Talk Left: The Politics of Crime
For example, editor@truthdig.com considers:
...................The photographs differ from those already officially released. Some show U.S. personnel engaged in sexual acts with prisoners and each other. In one, a female prisoner appears to have been forced to expose her breasts to be photographed.
bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) explains:
yey , on June 17th, 2009 at 9:08 pm Said Bro. Bo, Thanks for another inspiring article. God bless!
Tina does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
Yoo s recently released 2001 memo advised that the military could use "any means necessary" to hold terror suspects. A 2002 memo to then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales advised that treatment of suspected terrorists was torture only if it caused pain levels equivalent to "organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death." Yoo also advised that the president might have the constitutional power to allow torturing enemy combatants.
For example, pjwalker911 considers:
National Health Federation Nazi Nexus New England Confederation Alliance New Hampshire Liberty Alliance No Codex Genocide
editor@truthdig.com imagines that:
It was Bush that decided to use the full force of the military, however, that is not the subject. The subject is in regards to the lies.
In other words, Jeralyn puts it this way:
OP, that was pretty poetic... ( 5.00 / 1 ) ( #29 ) by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 02:18:33 AM EST and so wry it made me laugh. Thanks. Unfortunately, I think you've accurately summarized the worst that will ever happen to Yoo. [ Parent ] If Yoo's invitations slow, ( none / 0 ) ( #10 ) by Spamlet on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 11:52:41 PM EST maybe he can pay a visit to the loneliest woman in New York. [ Parent ] Wow. ( none / 0 ) ( #23 ) by oldpro on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 12:44:39 PM EST There are people called 'social image consultants' for the climbers and wannabes? Bet they're loving this publicity. Gross. [ Parent ]
But Hilzoy says that's not all:
July 2003June 2003May 2003April 2003March 2003February 2003January 2003December 2002
Jeralyn explains:
Jeralyn... this is ( none / 0 ) ( #12 ) by CoralGables on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 12:11:42 AM EST Another account worth deleting
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. is absolutely sure that:
You don't see this in Gaza! Humanitarian help! http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=58&ar=emergency-center-erez-D&ak=null
Paul Craig Roberts points out another thing aside from that:
Hunsinger notes that "evidence" obtained by torture can have catastrophic consequences. In making the case against Iraq at the UN, former Secretary of State Colin Powell assured the countries of the world that his evidence rested on "facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence." Today Powell and his chief of staff, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, are ashamed that the "evidence" for Powell's UN speech
Ben brings more details:
You Thought Otherwise? Movie Reviews Reaping What One Has Sown Wikio RSS Hit The Tip Jar for This DAV. Thanks!
Pamela Geller does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
US MILITARY GREATNESS and Real American Heroes USA /Israeli Relations VOTER FRAUD: DEMOCRAT TOOL Wal-Mart: Warfare on Big Business
Tina intervenes and adds:
January 2007 December 2006 November 2006 October 2006 September 2006 August 2006 July 2006 June 2006
Liliana Segura, AlterNet is not really sure about that:
This cannot stand. There's too much at stake when it comes to human rights, American democracy and the perception of the United States abroad. It's time to cut through the noise of political rhetoric and cable news and set the record straight. Below are five new reasons -- and at least one old one -- why closing Guantánamo Bay cannot wait.
Tony explains:
Al-Awda (The Palestine Right to Return Coalition) B’Tselem Citizens for Fair Legislation Free Palestine The Institute for Palestine Studies
Patriot Daily thinks that the problem is:
Why were the torture lawyers worried about an OPR report that is apparently not recommending criminal prosecutions, but only professional sanctions? Legal ethics experts indicate that state bars can face "nearly insurmountable challenges" that prevent imposing state bar disciplinary measures, such as disbarment, thus leaving the torture lawyers free of penalties based upon bar membership.
Sources:
smitty1e editor@truthdig.com cedricsbigmix Valtin bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Tina pjwalker911 Jeralyn Hilzoy GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Paul Craig Roberts Ben Pamela Geller Liliana Segura, AlterNet Tony Patriot Daily
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Torture From: Chris In Paris Philip Dru Tina Naxal Watch Jay! Editor@truthdig.com Something The Dog Said Foiled Goil Terence GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Robert Cass Pjwalker911 Tina Patriot Daily Davidswanson Bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) /26714107
However, Chris in Paris states that:
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Philip Dru is rather skeptical:
en : What the heezy @philjct GO TO SLEEP BOY or no #moonfruit for you ;) 07/04/09 09:57am en : 29....Should the 30th be special or just bang it and then chill out....hmmm what to do x 07/04/09 09:57am
As a result of that, Tina belives:
May 2004 April 2004 March 2004 February 2004 January 2004 December 2003 November 2003 October 2003
In response, Naxal Watch claims:
"I also believe it was the sacrifice of Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto that put the army on the back foot," Sarki said. Though the C.I.A. named Baitullah Mehsud, a shadowy Taliban warrior from Southern Waziristan in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas as Bhutto's killer, most Pakistanis accuse the Punjabi and Mohajir generals and the country's secret services of being responsible for Bhutto's death. Before her death, Bhutto had accused Musharraf's alleged henchman retired Brig. General Ejaz Shah, chief of the Intelligence Bureau and former I.S.I. official, of being the main person behind plots to have her killed. Shah remain untouched as Pakistan newspapers said he is close to present home minister, Rahman Malik.
Still not being convinced, Jay! replies:
Act 9: Timeline summery of torture memos and fallout - Rachel Maddow Act 10: Religious quotes on war memos - The Colbert Report
But editor@truthdig.com has a different opinion:
The numerous wars did not prevent the new states from exploring and conquering wide portions of the world, particularly in Asia (Siberia) and the newly-discovered Americas. In the 15th century, Portugal led the way in geographical exploration, followed by Spain in the early 16th century. They were the first states to set up colonies in America and trade stations on the shores of Africa and Asia, but they were soon followed by France, England and the Netherlands. In 1552, Russian tsar Ivan the Terrible conquered two major Tatar khanates, Kazan and Astrakhan, and the Yermak s voyage of 1580 led to the annexation of Siberia into Russia.
Something The Dog Said sees it this way:
Okay, you are better at the hard sell than I. ( 4.00 / 4 ) I just meant sending a little note to the Judiciary Committee was one of a sea of things we need to be doing to get accountability for torture. Can you help the Dog get a Netroots Scholarship ? - 6.25, - 6.10 by: Something The Dog Said @ Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 12:34:26 PM CDT [ Parent ]
Foiled Goil is absolutely sure that:
Big Swinging Blog Bitch PhD The Black Commentator blackwhite modern thought control Blog with a View
Terence is absolutely sure that:
Children using violence on their parents 41 comments | 932 views Singapore s first Malay general a star of things to come? 76 comments | 2,783 views
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
The Palestinian - blames the Israeli for the fly falling in his coffee, protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, The Chinese, and the Russian are all trying to explain to te Israeli that he should give away his cup of coffee to the Palestinian.
Robert Cass notices:
24 s narrative has taken place, there have been seven presidents occupying the highest office in the land, with David Palmer being the only one so far to make it through a full term.) More than halfway through season two, a nuclear bomb was detonated in a remotely populated area in the California desert, but in season six the suitcase nuke Jack questioned Graem about went off in the town of Valencia, 30 miles north of Los Angeles, in just the fourth episode, killing more than 12,000 people.
But Naxal Watch has a different opinion:
According to a recent report in the Frontier Post, a U.S. online military newspaper, U.S. Joint Chiefs chairman Adm. Mi ke Mullen suggested to Pakistani officials in a July meeting they should carry out a referendum in Baluchistan and Frontier provinces if they are unable to quell Islamic terrorism on their own.
For example, pjwalker911 considers:
Grand Lodge of India Grand Lodge of Scotland Grand Masonic Lodge of Japan Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland Grand Orient de France
Tina shows how it is done:
"It s a really a significant victory for accountability and our constitutional system of checks and balances," said Tahlia Townsend, an attorney with the Lowenstein International Human Rights Clinic at Yale Law School who represented Padilla.
Patriot Daily is absolutely sure that:
But Bush administration lawyers continued to validate the program. In 2004, the Bush administration was "reeling" from the August 2002 Bybee torture memo and Jack Goldsmith withdrew the memo. Daniel Levin replaced Goldsmith and was charged with writing a memo to replace the Bybee memo. Levin decided to experience waterboarding firsthand because he was concerned about this "interrogation technique" and concluded it was potentially illegal torture unless "performed in a highly limited way."
In addition to this, Philip Dru states:
en : DON'T EVER LET FEAR OR DOUBT COME IN JESUS CHRIST HAS YOUR BACK 07/02/09 04:02pm
But davidswanson says that's not all:
Some outside experts agree that the language of the 1994 law is strikingly narrow. “There’s no doubt whatsoever that a great deal of coercive treatment that most people would call torture is not prohibited by the federal antitorture statute,†said Benjamin Wittes, a Brookings Institution scholar who has studied interrogation policy.
For example, bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) considers:
timmy , on June 18th, 2009 at 10:43 pm Said Thanks for this article.. but I have a question in mind and I m hoping someone could answer it for me.. I could say I m at the crossroads of my life. I m about to graduate from college, and I took up a course that made me sort of like a Jack of All Trades . I don t know where to go, what ladder to choose to climb. I m unsure with my core gifts. My question is, how can you know your core gifts? How can you be sure they re the right ones? Thanks to those who re kind enough to enlighten me on this. God bless! *Thanks for this article Mr. Bo
Sources:
Chris in Paris Philip Dru Tina Naxal Watch Jay! editor@truthdig.com Something The Dog Said Foiled Goil Terence GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Robert Cass pjwalker911 Tina Patriot Daily davidswanson bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez)
Disclaimer:
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Gossip Defamer Gawker Liz Smith Page Six Perez Hilton Reliable Source (Wash Post) Rush & Molloy TMZ Wonkette Yahoo Celebrity News
Philip Dru is rather skeptical:
en : What the heezy @philjct GO TO SLEEP BOY or no #moonfruit for you ;) 07/04/09 09:57am en : 29....Should the 30th be special or just bang it and then chill out....hmmm what to do x 07/04/09 09:57am
As a result of that, Tina belives:
May 2004 April 2004 March 2004 February 2004 January 2004 December 2003 November 2003 October 2003
In response, Naxal Watch claims:
"I also believe it was the sacrifice of Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto that put the army on the back foot," Sarki said. Though the C.I.A. named Baitullah Mehsud, a shadowy Taliban warrior from Southern Waziristan in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas as Bhutto's killer, most Pakistanis accuse the Punjabi and Mohajir generals and the country's secret services of being responsible for Bhutto's death. Before her death, Bhutto had accused Musharraf's alleged henchman retired Brig. General Ejaz Shah, chief of the Intelligence Bureau and former I.S.I. official, of being the main person behind plots to have her killed. Shah remain untouched as Pakistan newspapers said he is close to present home minister, Rahman Malik.
Still not being convinced, Jay! replies:
Act 9: Timeline summery of torture memos and fallout - Rachel Maddow Act 10: Religious quotes on war memos - The Colbert Report
But editor@truthdig.com has a different opinion:
The numerous wars did not prevent the new states from exploring and conquering wide portions of the world, particularly in Asia (Siberia) and the newly-discovered Americas. In the 15th century, Portugal led the way in geographical exploration, followed by Spain in the early 16th century. They were the first states to set up colonies in America and trade stations on the shores of Africa and Asia, but they were soon followed by France, England and the Netherlands. In 1552, Russian tsar Ivan the Terrible conquered two major Tatar khanates, Kazan and Astrakhan, and the Yermak s voyage of 1580 led to the annexation of Siberia into Russia.
Something The Dog Said sees it this way:
Okay, you are better at the hard sell than I. ( 4.00 / 4 ) I just meant sending a little note to the Judiciary Committee was one of a sea of things we need to be doing to get accountability for torture. Can you help the Dog get a Netroots Scholarship ? - 6.25, - 6.10 by: Something The Dog Said @ Mon Jun 15, 2009 at 12:34:26 PM CDT [ Parent ]
Foiled Goil is absolutely sure that:
Big Swinging Blog Bitch PhD The Black Commentator blackwhite modern thought control Blog with a View
Terence is absolutely sure that:
Children using violence on their parents 41 comments | 932 views Singapore s first Malay general a star of things to come? 76 comments | 2,783 views
GS Don Morris, Ph.D. does not seem to agree with this. In his own words:
The Palestinian - blames the Israeli for the fly falling in his coffee, protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, The Chinese, and the Russian are all trying to explain to te Israeli that he should give away his cup of coffee to the Palestinian.
Robert Cass notices:
24 s narrative has taken place, there have been seven presidents occupying the highest office in the land, with David Palmer being the only one so far to make it through a full term.) More than halfway through season two, a nuclear bomb was detonated in a remotely populated area in the California desert, but in season six the suitcase nuke Jack questioned Graem about went off in the town of Valencia, 30 miles north of Los Angeles, in just the fourth episode, killing more than 12,000 people.
But Naxal Watch has a different opinion:
According to a recent report in the Frontier Post, a U.S. online military newspaper, U.S. Joint Chiefs chairman Adm. Mi ke Mullen suggested to Pakistani officials in a July meeting they should carry out a referendum in Baluchistan and Frontier provinces if they are unable to quell Islamic terrorism on their own.
For example, pjwalker911 considers:
Grand Lodge of India Grand Lodge of Scotland Grand Masonic Lodge of Japan Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland Grand Orient de France
Tina shows how it is done:
"It s a really a significant victory for accountability and our constitutional system of checks and balances," said Tahlia Townsend, an attorney with the Lowenstein International Human Rights Clinic at Yale Law School who represented Padilla.
Patriot Daily is absolutely sure that:
But Bush administration lawyers continued to validate the program. In 2004, the Bush administration was "reeling" from the August 2002 Bybee torture memo and Jack Goldsmith withdrew the memo. Daniel Levin replaced Goldsmith and was charged with writing a memo to replace the Bybee memo. Levin decided to experience waterboarding firsthand because he was concerned about this "interrogation technique" and concluded it was potentially illegal torture unless "performed in a highly limited way."
In addition to this, Philip Dru states:
en : DON'T EVER LET FEAR OR DOUBT COME IN JESUS CHRIST HAS YOUR BACK 07/02/09 04:02pm
But davidswanson says that's not all:
Some outside experts agree that the language of the 1994 law is strikingly narrow. “There’s no doubt whatsoever that a great deal of coercive treatment that most people would call torture is not prohibited by the federal antitorture statute,†said Benjamin Wittes, a Brookings Institution scholar who has studied interrogation policy.
For example, bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) considers:
timmy , on June 18th, 2009 at 10:43 pm Said Thanks for this article.. but I have a question in mind and I m hoping someone could answer it for me.. I could say I m at the crossroads of my life. I m about to graduate from college, and I took up a course that made me sort of like a Jack of All Trades . I don t know where to go, what ladder to choose to climb. I m unsure with my core gifts. My question is, how can you know your core gifts? How can you be sure they re the right ones? Thanks to those who re kind enough to enlighten me on this. God bless! *Thanks for this article Mr. Bo
Sources:
Chris in Paris Philip Dru Tina Naxal Watch Jay! editor@truthdig.com Something The Dog Said Foiled Goil Terence GS Don Morris, Ph.D. Robert Cass pjwalker911 Tina Patriot Daily davidswanson bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez)
Disclaimer:
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Torture From: Bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Chris In Paris Mike McNally Clinton Fein Zachary Roth Common Ills Terence Russ Wellen Valtin Francis Beckwith The Huffington Post News Team Greg Sargent Christian Hennemeyer Admin /26714106
But bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) says that's not all:
Alam ko pong mabaho at walang kwenta ang ating gobyerno (forgive me for the strong words, pero euphemism pa nga kung sasabihin kong basura ang sistema sa pinas) and to be brutally honest, parang walang pagasa na talaga
Similarly, Chris in Paris adds:
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For this reason, bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) says:
She laughed. I added, “Please call the US Embassy. Tell the Ambassador I have the perfect person to send to their captured Terrorists. Just 2 hours of Ate Guy and they’ll confess where Osama Bin Laden is hiding.â€
In contrast, Mike McNally replies:
Most disgraceful of all were Obama s claims that President Bush s policies have made America less safe, and that the use of torture might cause terrorists to mistreat American troops seized on the battlefield. As if should Guantanamo close tomorrow the jihadists would limit their attacks to U.S. military targets overseas rather than trying to think up new ways of killing as many civilians as possible on American soil. As if in the absence of waterboarding al-Qaeda would send captured Americans to Red Cross-approved camps, rather than behead them live on the internet.
However, Clinton Fein states that:
California Senator, Mark Leno, stated: “Once again we see the results of radical religious zealots, whether they are in Iraq, California or anywhere else…who are insistent that their particular interpretation of their particular religious book should become state law.â€
As Zachary Roth says:
Why withdraw the challenge to Hannity? Posted by Nancy Irving May 23, 2009 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Common Ills has another idea:
A secret prison run by whom? The Interior Ministry. And the prisoners were mostly what? Sunnis. And a Sunni MP called for an independent investigation into torture and abuse in Iraq prisons on a Thursday and the following morning he was assassinated?
In contrast, Terence replies:
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Russ Wellen considers that:
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Valtin thinks about it:
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Valtin brings a word of caution:
noted the other day, that in an earlier, similar study by the Pentagon "eight of the 15 described as resuming terrorism were accused of nothing more than condemning their treatment at Guantánamo, an act that the Pentagon portrayed as terrorist propaganda."
Having that in mind, Francis Beckwith wonders:
Well that depends. If you believe in Natural Law, then the answer is no. If you don't believe in Natural Law, then you're out there on shifting sands, with a finger in the wind.
The Huffington Post News Team has another idea:
- + FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk I'm a fan of this user permalink Please send the "innocent" al Qaeda trained in Tora Bora terror camps Chinese Uighurs back to China, where they can stand trial.
The Huffington Post News Team might have an idea about it:
- + GreatNews27 I'm a Fan of GreatNews27 I'm a fan of this user permalink Since when do judges have the power to overrule The Unitary Executive? This is still America, right? Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 06/01/2009
In other words, Greg Sargent puts it this way:
sbj | May 29th, 2009 at 11:51 am @Bernie: Grant you that the motion was a political maneuver. But let's not get into the tired game of examining political adverts for fairness, as Greg was doing. The larger point remains that Pelosi does indeed seem unwilling to probe claims that the CIA lied to her. She's been Speaker for two plus years and has done nothing. I think it is because she knows an investigation of her claims will show that she is a hypocrite.
Christian Hennemeyer objects:
Opinion: Lessons from empires past HDS Greenway - Worldview - July 4, 2009 08:26 ET US forces in Afghanistan should keep in mind John Masters' account of the British campaign against the Pashtuns.
admin is rather skeptical:
 The legal dimension : torture has been and is against international and national law because if there were exceptions allowed, then any two-bit tyrant could claim that they had a ticking time bomb scenario in process and that they had to torture the detainee(s) to “save lives.†The exception would then become the rule: there would be no way to stop torture from becoming a common practice worldwide. Those countries that do engage in torture are, furthermore, rightly considered pariahs and their policies of torture gravely endanger their own soldiers captured by their adversaries.
Sources:
bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Chris in Paris Mike McNally Clinton Fein Zachary Roth Common Ills Terence Russ Wellen Valtin Francis Beckwith The Huffington Post News Team Greg Sargent Christian Hennemeyer admin
Disclaimer:
This text is automatically generated from different sources on the internet. It must be considered an experiment
Alam ko pong mabaho at walang kwenta ang ating gobyerno (forgive me for the strong words, pero euphemism pa nga kung sasabihin kong basura ang sistema sa pinas) and to be brutally honest, parang walang pagasa na talaga
Similarly, Chris in Paris adds:
A message for those LGBT "leaders" going to the Bi... Hugo Chavez suggests invading Honduras after coup Monday Morning Open Thread
For this reason, bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) says:
She laughed. I added, “Please call the US Embassy. Tell the Ambassador I have the perfect person to send to their captured Terrorists. Just 2 hours of Ate Guy and they’ll confess where Osama Bin Laden is hiding.â€
In contrast, Mike McNally replies:
Most disgraceful of all were Obama s claims that President Bush s policies have made America less safe, and that the use of torture might cause terrorists to mistreat American troops seized on the battlefield. As if should Guantanamo close tomorrow the jihadists would limit their attacks to U.S. military targets overseas rather than trying to think up new ways of killing as many civilians as possible on American soil. As if in the absence of waterboarding al-Qaeda would send captured Americans to Red Cross-approved camps, rather than behead them live on the internet.
However, Clinton Fein states that:
California Senator, Mark Leno, stated: “Once again we see the results of radical religious zealots, whether they are in Iraq, California or anywhere else…who are insistent that their particular interpretation of their particular religious book should become state law.â€
As Zachary Roth says:
Why withdraw the challenge to Hannity? Posted by Nancy Irving May 23, 2009 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Common Ills has another idea:
A secret prison run by whom? The Interior Ministry. And the prisoners were mostly what? Sunnis. And a Sunni MP called for an independent investigation into torture and abuse in Iraq prisons on a Thursday and the following morning he was assassinated?
In contrast, Terence replies:
Xue JianyueYeo Toon JooYouth Focus Blogroll Intelligent Singaporean Maruah Singapore Daily Singapore Surf TOC Classic Transitioning
Russ Wellen considers that:
Posted at 12:02 AM in Torture | Permalink TrackBack TrackBack URL for this entry: http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8345f80b469e201156fd229ae970c Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The Careless, Corrupt Program That Begat Preventive Detention and Torture :
Valtin thinks about it:
Media Matters Moon of Alabama Mostly About Gitmo N.O.R.M.L. National Security Archive Native American Netroots Never In Our Names
Valtin brings a word of caution:
noted the other day, that in an earlier, similar study by the Pentagon "eight of the 15 described as resuming terrorism were accused of nothing more than condemning their treatment at Guantánamo, an act that the Pentagon portrayed as terrorist propaganda."
Having that in mind, Francis Beckwith wonders:
Well that depends. If you believe in Natural Law, then the answer is no. If you don't believe in Natural Law, then you're out there on shifting sands, with a finger in the wind.
The Huffington Post News Team has another idea:
- + FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk I'm a fan of this user permalink Please send the "innocent" al Qaeda trained in Tora Bora terror camps Chinese Uighurs back to China, where they can stand trial.
The Huffington Post News Team might have an idea about it:
- + GreatNews27 I'm a Fan of GreatNews27 I'm a fan of this user permalink Since when do judges have the power to overrule The Unitary Executive? This is still America, right? Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 06/01/2009
In other words, Greg Sargent puts it this way:
sbj | May 29th, 2009 at 11:51 am @Bernie: Grant you that the motion was a political maneuver. But let's not get into the tired game of examining political adverts for fairness, as Greg was doing. The larger point remains that Pelosi does indeed seem unwilling to probe claims that the CIA lied to her. She's been Speaker for two plus years and has done nothing. I think it is because she knows an investigation of her claims will show that she is a hypocrite.
Christian Hennemeyer objects:
Opinion: Lessons from empires past HDS Greenway - Worldview - July 4, 2009 08:26 ET US forces in Afghanistan should keep in mind John Masters' account of the British campaign against the Pashtuns.
admin is rather skeptical:
 The legal dimension : torture has been and is against international and national law because if there were exceptions allowed, then any two-bit tyrant could claim that they had a ticking time bomb scenario in process and that they had to torture the detainee(s) to “save lives.†The exception would then become the rule: there would be no way to stop torture from becoming a common practice worldwide. Those countries that do engage in torture are, furthermore, rightly considered pariahs and their policies of torture gravely endanger their own soldiers captured by their adversaries.
Sources:
bosanchez@kerygmafamily.com (Bo Sanchez) Chris in Paris Mike McNally Clinton Fein Zachary Roth Common Ills Terence Russ Wellen Valtin Francis Beckwith The Huffington Post News Team Greg Sargent Christian Hennemeyer admin
Disclaimer:
This text is automatically generated from different sources on the internet. It must be considered an experiment
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